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The devil understands that a kingdom divided against itself cannot stand. And that’s why he’s fighting tooth and nail to divide the Church. And he seems to be doing quite an impressive job. But with the help of God, we shall prevail.
Baptism is quite a controversial issue. Though the scriptures stipulates it as part of the salvation process. Eternity is a very long time to be wrong so I feel it’s safer to get baptised to clear all doubt about the validity of ones salvation. I’ll leave it at that. But one thing we should understand is that if we believe in Jesus as the Son of God and the Savior of the world, we are on the same team.
Thanks for taking the time to put this together. God bless…
Thank you so much for your comment and kind words. May the Lord richly bless you.
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Hello Freddy,
I am going to make one comment and then leave it at that. You said, that churches that teach “that water baptism is needed to be saved” are sects and cults. Then you said, “I for one rather follow Jesus rather than man.”
Please tell, who was it that said, “Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believes and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believes not shall be damned.” (Mark 16:15,16)
Was it a sect, a cult or was it Jesus?
Hi Eugene, thanks for your comment. Here is my reply:
Jesus gave them a promise of salvation and a warning: He who believes and is
baptized will be saved, but he who does not believe will be condemned. Jesus did
not say that condemnation belonged to the one who was not baptized, only to the one who does not believe.
“A superficial reading of Mark 16:15-16 would suggest that sinners must be baptized to be saved, but this misinterpretation disappears when you note that the emphasis is on believing. If a person does not believe, he is condemned, even if he has been baptized.” (Wiersbe)
“The omission of baptized with “disbelieveth” would seem to show that Jesus does not make baptism essential to salvation. Condemnation rests on disbelief, not on baptism. So salvation rests on belief. Baptism is merely the picture of the new life not the means of securing it.” (Robertson)
At the same time, it would be terribly wrong to regard baptism as “non-essential.” It may not be essential to salvation, but it is absolutely essential to obedience. Jesus told the believer to be baptized, and they must do it. It becomes essential as soon as Jesus commands it.
Eugene, I do agree with you and I wrote this in my previous article that believers should be baptized in water. It is what the Lord commanded. The problem with your branch of “Church of Christ” is that you make water baptism a requirement in order to be saved. Your church teaches that without water baptism, a person is not saved. That is not biblical, it is the baptism of the Holy Spirit that is needed. Without the baptism of the Holy Spirit, the person is not saved i.e born again. The Holy Spirit coming inside a person that believes is what saves them.
I do not consider your church a cult as I could name other churches that are clearly cults. I would go as far as to say a sect, like the Pharisees and Sadducees in the days of Jesus were considered sects. They both had different believes on issues. It is on this issue (water baptism onto salvation) Eugene that we differ, which does not mean that you are not a genuine believer because you have a different opinion about baptism. I am thankful that we can have this discussion without anger and anamosity.
Thank you for your time, have a blessed day.
Hello Freddy.
I will only give one reply and leave it at that
I have easily dealt with the “Jesus didn’t say he that is baptized not shall be condemned so baptism isn’t essential to salvation” claim. You can read it if you like – http://wp.me/p20YNR-63
Other than that I will just simply say that it was Jesus who said baptism before He said saved. The Holy Spirit is only given to those who obey the Lord’s commands (Acts 5:32) and if one listens to Acts 2:38 they will see that it is baptism then the gift of the Holy Spirit – not before.
Thanks for your time and willingness to talk about the issue, Freddy. Between our discussion and the scripture references I gave on your last post and the link I posted here I will leave it off at this. Take care.